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[extrapenguin]

I posted the Ye Zun character discussion post on sid_guardian! I'm sort of regretting including a question on Ye Zun's redeemability in the discussion starters, as people seem to be mostly ignoring all the other discussion starters and the possibility to rec fanworks in favor of laser focusing on that question. Come rec all your favorite Ye Zun fics/vids/arts/metas/etc?

Continuing on the link theme, two different Tumblr posts on how Web 2.0 social media destroyed everything: connectivity graphs, users as content vs clients.

A music: G.E.M.【鄧紫棋】 – 光年之外 LIGHT YEARS AWAY

A webpage with a list of exercises, browsable by target muscle/part of body. I've been poking around here. Exercises for a muscle divided into lists based on used equipment; useful, if you only have your own body weight or dumbbells in this time of staying the fuck away from gyms.

I made twice cooked fish today! With only 1 chili pepper because while I can and do enjoy spicy food, I am not from Sichuan, and I'm very much out of practice wrt capsaicin. I had to sub garlic scapes with chives, and didn't have dou chi, but it came out okay. I'll probably steam some vegetables as a side for the next meal, then use up the rest of the salmon in bibimbap. I'll also make another batch of red bean buns for the freezer tomorrow. Then it's dry fried beef and figuring out what ingredients I have for the next meals. I should probably use up my enoki mushrooms; they look a bit long-suffering...

(This year looks to be the first Easter I spend alone. It's ... something. The traditional family activity has been taking advantage of the bank holidays to cook. I suppose I'll use my ground lamb meat for something.)

*goes back to writing Robot Rainbow assignment*

Comments

[isis]

Ooh, that exercise list looks useful. I have only a yoga mat and a set of adjustable dumbbells (an older set with a less-spiffy base, and I bought them used very cheaply, but they are amazing) and I'm definitely looking to expand my rather minimal repertoire.

[extrapenguin]

Adjustable dumbbells would be cool! I only have non-adjustable ones (and a yoga mat), alas. The site is pretty cool, and I've enjoyed surfing around on it.

[china_shop]

I'm sort of regretting including a question on Ye Zun's redeemability in the discussion starters, as people seem to be mostly ignoring all the other discussion starters and the possibility to rec fanworks in favor of laser focusing on that question.

Yeah, but we might well have done that regardless. It's interesting! :-)

[extrapenguin]

But all my hard work, thinking of other questions, for nothing! :( And this was meant to be a general Ye Zun discussion post, not "wank about Ye Zun's redeemability: round 2" post. (Haven't we already discussed Ye Zun redemption? I feel we have.)

[china_shop]

But all my hard work, thinking of other questions, for nothing! :(

Not for nothing -- some people are answering them. (Personally, I avoided a couple of them because they overlap with things in WIPs, and I don't like talking about my WIPs in advance.)

(Haven't we already discussed Ye Zun redemption? I feel we have.)

If we have, I either missed it or I've forgotten. And there's always new people coming along who weren't around for round 1!

I'm sorry it feels wanky to you -- it doesn't seem that way to me at all. I feel like people are just having their say, and I'm enjoying reading the different takes and the reasoning behind them. I guess I don't see these discussion posts as "let's get to the Truth of this character" so much as "tell me all your thoughts!" Trying to get everyone to agree is pretty much a losing proposition, you know?

[extrapenguin]

Not for nothing -- some people are answering them.
Not as many as are laser focusing on the first one. Please allow me my moment of melodramatic brattiness.

I feel like people are just having their say, and I'm enjoying reading the different takes and the reasoning behind them. I guess I don't see these discussion posts as "let's get to the Truth of this character" so much as "tell me all your thoughts!"
I mean, I guess it's not wanky-wanky, but it feels like there's ... okay, not a lack of good faith, but the proportion of people who posted their knee-jerk reaction instead of stopping to see if thinking about it would produce something interesting is higher than usual. (I guess it's understandable, since Ye Zun is the villain responsible for everyone's OTP's deaths, and thus must Die For The Ship, never mind that he's Shen Wei's twin and Shen Wei might not be willing to join in on singing ding dong the witch is dead. But I'd still rather people did some deeper engaging with the material. Or were more willing to cite the scenes/canon happenings that led to their interpretations.)

[china_shop]

but the proportion of people who posted their knee-jerk reaction instead of stopping to see if thinking about it would produce something interesting is higher than usual. [...] But I'd still rather people did some deeper engaging with the material.

Um. This sounds like you're implying that people who didn't agree with you weren't thoughtful, considered or interesting in their opinions. ??

(I assume you're not dissing the people who do agree with you?)

[extrapenguin]

That was a very very questionable [...] there, just FYI. Really changes the context and casts what I wrote in a bad light.

To spell it out further: I'm talking about the difference between giving an answer based on one's knee-jerk opinion, versus giving an answer with a reference to canon (e.g. "based on how X happened, I think it'd maybe be Y"). I'm not claiming that it's everyone who disagrees with me. (I have no idea where you got that!) Now, this was speculation on what might cause the difference in tone I'd observed (and was moping about) between the Ye Zun post's comment section and the comment sections of the prior character discussion posts. Then I speculated on what might cause the thing I thought might cause this difference in tone. I hope this clarifies matters.

[china_shop]

Well, I had exactly the same reaction without the elision[1], so...

I think dissing people's comments/input/positions because they don't meet a standard of engagement or showing one's working may be missing the point of open discussion posts (and fandom generally, for a lot of people). Obviously YMMV.


[1] I found the elided bit problematic in a different way (ie, making assumptions about people's motives) and cut it so as not to muddy the water.

[extrapenguin]

Before I go to sleep, two brief things:

1. "Humans suck" is an example of dissing. "I wish some humans would be more X" is not.

2. There is a world of difference between demanding effort on a post and whining about a thing on a different post posted elsewhere.

(You also seem to be taking this all deathly seriously. I think I must be mis-signaling this whining somehow? The intended tone is "blarp, whinge", not the gravity you're treating this with.)

(And fannish discussion posts are generally best when there's something to discuss. Citing scenes gives the chance to talk about scene interpretations, which can be fun! So there's more discussion to be had. Okay, that was particularly incoherent; replace with something that sounds like "yay scene discussion!" Night.)

[china_shop]

1. "Humans suck" is an example of dissing. "I wish some humans would be more X" is not.

I said "dissing people's comments/input/positions", not "dissing people"? I think calling people's opinions kneejerk, etc, counts.

2. There is a world of difference between demanding effort on a post and whining about a thing on a different post posted elsewhere.

True, but you are whining in public where the people you're whining about can see you. Like me! Am I supposed to somehow not take it personally? ;-p

[extrapenguin]

I guess we have different definitions of dissing, then. I think continuing this discussion would also be wholly unproductive, so: have a nice day.

[mekare]

Thanks for the link to the web 2.0 posts! They lined out more clearly what I've been experiencing as well in the contrast between Dreamwidth and Tumblr.

[extrapenguin]

The difference between users as customers vs users as product is very stark. And yeah, while there are nice aspects to Tumblr, Dreamwidth is my home.