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Okay so I spent the past several weeks doing Battleship (very enjoyable, would battleship straight into the sun with the rest of team Pear again, 10/10) and consequently neglected absolutely everything else fannish. Creator reveals are on Wednesday, when I'll subject you to a long post of my year-on-year Battleship statistics plus links to everything I made, as usual.

But! This update is not about that. Instead, this update is about this Chinese book review, or rather, its final paragraph:

来弟、招弟、领弟、想弟、盼弟、念弟、求弟......这些触目惊心的女孩名字,看得我头皮发麻,在我身边也有叫这些名字的女孩,只不过她们的家长在“弟”字左边又添了个女字旁,变成了“娣”,招娣,这个女字旁加的很是巧妙,虽然同样是招来弟弟的意思,但是万一有人深究,她们还可以因为用这个女字旁来狡辩。除了招娣,还有若男、亚男、胜男......异曲同工之妙,倒从来没听过哪家男孩会起名叫招妹、若女、亚女、胜女,这是为啥呢?


Shortly: [list of girl names that mean "give us a boy next plz"], author finds these shocking, something I didn't get about how the author finds it women with those names changing the dì from 弟 younger brother to 娣 wife of younger brother ingenious; girls are also called names along the lines of "like a man", but you never see a man called "wishing for a little sister" or "like a woman".

The list of names (来弟、招弟、领弟、想弟、盼弟、念弟、求弟 ; 若男、亚男、胜男) is useful for when you want to write early 1900s realistic sexism, but the speculation at the end made me sad I only discovered this after works had been revealed. I wrote a matriarchy AU and there were some OC dudes I could totally have called 想妹 and 盼妹, for instance.

Anyway, I'm having some vague matriarchy AU thoughts. Will they come to anything? Probably not. Do they still exist? Yes.

Date: 2025-08-24 13:14 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nnozomi
Very late comment but the name issue is fascinating! (I've also seen the opposite in names in Japan of a certain era, ie 末子 for a daughter when you _really_ don't want any more children to come).
something I didn't get about how the author finds it women with those names changing the dì from 弟 younger brother to 娣 wife of younger brother ingenious
I think you basically got it--"ingenious because while it has the same "looking for a little brother" meaning, it can be passed off as a girl's name because of the 女 radical".

wow, I love the idea of a matriarchy AU with 想妹 etc. as men's names; playing with language this way is SO FUN. Maybe another fic will come up when you can make something of it?

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