extrapenguin: "Mastery of study lies in diligence" in Chinese. (hanzi)
I figured I might as well start writing down at least the interesting expression parts of my language exchange on my DW!

First, congratulations seguing into celebration wrt 祝 zhù:

祝贺你 Congratulations!
祝福新人 Congrats to the newlyweds!
祝你生快 Happy birthday!
庆祝 qìngzhù to celebrate
example:
你毕业了,你应该好好庆祝一下。 You graduated, you should celebrate well.

提前很久买,便宜很多 Buy far in advance and prices will be cheap. (提前 tíqián in advance)

焦虑 jiāolǜ anxious
焦虑症 jiāolǜzhèng anxiety
and thence the extremely funny expression for being anxious:
急得像油锅上的蚂蚁 Anxious like an ant on a hot oil pan (probably with 像; the handwriting is a bit messy here) (googling, I also found 急得像热锅上的蚂蚁一般 which removes the oil and emphasizes the heat, and adds 一般 yībān "alike")

拿得起,放得下 being able to pick something up and then put it down; being able to let go and move forward (lit. pick up, put down)

羡慕 xiànmù envy (positive) – "Oh wow, I'm so jealous of you!"
嫉妒 jìdù envy (negative) – "If X has it, why don't I?" (Note the presence of the 疒 radical, which denotes sickness.)
extrapenguin: "Mastery of study lies in diligence" in Chinese. (hanzi)
Since there was interest on that friending post from [profile] phrenk and I had thought about making a post on all this anyway, here are my thoughts on all the media I've used in my study, free and otherwise.

Getting the basics
Language-learning is a tripartite process: pronunciation, vocabulary, and grammar. For "basics" I'm covering all of pronunciation (since Chinese has a very limited amount of possible syllable pronunciations), an intro to character composition (since this is the basis of the Chinese language as written, and all Chinese audiovisual media has Chinese-language hardsubs, so technically as a fan, the speaking/listening bit is superfluous), and how to get started with grammar.

The Chinese syllable has an initial, medial, and a final, plus a tone. These are transcribed into the Latin alphabet using Pinyin. If you scroll down, there's the correspondence between pinyin and international phonetic alphabet (IPA). Further down, there are comparisons with English-language sounds, and by googling one can surely find English Respelling pronunciation instructions à la "blyeaourghng" that make no sense. I've had success pronouncing the sh/ch/zh series as in English sh/ch/j (with the tip of the tongue making the sound) and the x/q/j series as IPA ç/cç/ɟʝ. (ç is the German ich-laut.) My Chinese teachers haven't corrected me, so it's at the very least an okay approximation. The r is hard; it sounds a lot like IPA ɮ to me, but I'm almost certainly wrong with it. Wikipedia also has a nice description of the tones.

Note that I find Pinyin not necessarily the most intuitive means of representing the sounds. It also holds a demonic lure to many a student who goes "but why can't we just use pinyin?" and develops mental blocks to learning the characters, i.e. the actual language. It's sort of okay as pronunciation instrictions, but mostly I'm paying attention to it because Chinese keyboard inputs are all pinyin-based.

Now that one is slightly less lost at sea, let's go into the basics of Chinese characters, aka hanzi! Hanzi consist of several lines – strokes – that should be drawn in the correct order. The correct order will become natural with practice, but in the meanwhile, everything I link you to will train the order, and there's also the trainchinese app you can install. Characters consist of a radical (eg: 口 虫) that usually relates to the meaning, and the rest, which might relate to the pronunciation. As an example, 口 (kǒu) is the mouth radical, and can be found in 名 (míng) "name, rank", 吗 (ma) "?", and 喝 (hē) "to drink". They are all pretty "standardized", and once one knows a bunch of them, it's pretty easy to break a character into its component parts. For learning it, I recommend installing the ChineseSkill app, then going to Challenge > Character Handwriting and doing a few of the modules.

Introductory Chinese grammar is pretty simple and English-like. Subject Verb Object, adjectives go before the nouns they modify, very modular. Note that all details about when and where the verbing is occurring must come before the verb. Oh, and measure words exist – one cannot say "one person", one has to say "one (measure word for people) person". Measure words might be context-dependent, but that's mostly based on whether the soup is being served in a bowl or a cup.

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Note that the above is very much tailored to my (quite analytical) method of language-learning. If you learn by just being exposed to a bunch of sentences and their translations, it's likely useless. If you have other questions, like "best flashcards app", google is your friend. Have any of you any other resources to recommend for learning Chinese?
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When I fall into something, I tend to fall into it wholeheartedly. That means that I have also, uh, taken up study of the Chinese language. (Hey, Hai Yan made a lot of people's names meaningful! It's totally worth it!) Career-etc wise it's not the worst move I've made, since China is a large place and also maybe perhaps will have funding for things.

Resources I'm using for attempting to learn things include the Wikipedia page on Pinyin for pronunciation (since it actually lists IPA values!), the Duolingo (currently past two checkpoints, at Time 4), and ChineseSkill apps for gamified learning, a BBC characters guide for learning how to write some basic simple characters, and this grammar reference. Duolingo is ... well, it's shit at teaching grammar, especially the app, and it is weirdly resistant to teaching what the words mean in isolation. ChineseSkill is significantly better at teaching what the words mean, and will occasionally teach you to write a character (with lots of hints, but hey, it still shows stroke order), and contains parts where one can speak into one's phone and the app gives automated feedback based on what it hears. Yabla also looks interesting as a listening comprehension thing, but I think I'll work my way up to it, plus I'm currently more interested in learning to read, because Chinese-fandom fics and fan comics.

For more translation-based resources, I look things up on MDBG if I can copypaste or want the Chinese for an English word, the Pleco app when I need to draw (it's got OCR but that's paid-only), and when I'm going all radical (heh) and wish to look for more subtle punny names/come up with more suitable titles, I go to HanziCraft.

Note that I learn languages best by writing words down. For Chinese, the characters are just enough on the novel side of the novel-expected curve that I can find writing them engrossing. It's also surprisingly meditative.

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